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Empire City; Land of GIANTS

 

 

Five years after the famous “ground-breaking” of Baseball by the New York Knickerbocker Ball Club in Hoboken, N.J. on Elysian Field, the Knickerbockers accepted a challenge to play the Washington Baseball Club of New York.  This game was played June 3rd, 1851 at the RED HOUSE GROUNDS located at 106th Street and 2nd Avenue in Manhattan, NYC.

 

The Knickebockers won that game 21-11 in 8 innings.  The rematch was played two weeks later in Hoboken.  The Knickebockers beat the Washington Club again, this time 22-20 in 10 innings.

In April, 1852, the Washington Baseball Club was reorganized and The Gothams Baseball Club of New York is formed.  Their team offices were in the Bowery section of lower Manhattan and their home field would now be located in Staten Island at the St. George Cricket Club.

 

The Gothams played the New York Knickerbockers 5 more times over the next 3 years.

 

In April 1853 the first newspaper article covering baseball was written.  The author of that article was Senator William Cauldwell; owner and editor of the New York Sunday Mercury.  From then on, Baseball would be covered by local newspapers.  The article itself was to promote an upcoming match between the Knickerbockers and the Gothams.  The game mentioned in that article was finally played in New York City on October 26, 1854.

 

That game is significant for two reasons.  It was the first match to result in a tie as sunset and darkness arrived.  It was also the first match to be scored by individual innings played (versus the sum total of the match).

Scene on Broadway and Broome St., circa 1860′s,

site of the first Baseball Convention.

 
 

The first Baseball Convention met at Smith’s Hotel on the corner of Broadway and Broome Street in today’s SoHo neighborhood of Lower Manhattan.  On March 10, 1858, the GRAND CONVENTION took place “open to all clubs”.  William H. Van Cott (left) of the Gothams BBC of NY was named the convention’s first officer and President. (click to enlarge).

Twenty -five clubs were represented at the convention which formed the National Association of Amateur Baseball Players; the first over-seeing body of Baseball prior to 1871 and the age of Professionalism.

 

This team fell to uncompetitive levels in the new age of professionalism.  But by the 1870′s they reorganized themselves again.  They absorbed players from the recently folded Troy Haymakers and remained a viable operation as they joined the National League in 1883.

 

1884 Gothams BBC of New York;  Member National League

 

In 1883 they also moved into their new home field.  The grounds were owned by James Gordon Bennett who was a publisher of the New York Herald.  The park had been in operation since 1880 and was used to host polo matches.

 

In 1889, the Gothams were forced to vacate the premises for a season.  The city pulled eminent domain at the location because they wanted to run 115th Street from 5th to 6th Avenues.  So they went back to the St. George Cricket Club in Staten Island until the new field was reconstructed.

 

1883 Polo Grounds

 

With the completion of their new home, the team also re-branded itself.  They were now the NEW YORK GIANTS and their home was the POLO GROUNDS.

 

At the turn of the century the Manhattan ball club would bring in a smallish figure from Baltimore who would turn out to be a Titan of the city..  He was truly a Giant among men; more disliked and feared than respected.  He was absolute ruler of his domain and NYC was his Empire (City).  He was John McGraw and he was manager of NYC’s first modern dynasty.

 

Under John McGraw the New York Giants won National League Titles in 1904, 1905, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1917, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1933.  The Giants won four championships for their manager winning in 1905, 1921, 1922 and 1933.

 

 

 

 

 

Fans exiting Polo Grounds; 1913 World Series

 

In 1951 the Giants faced off against the Brooklyn Dodgers in the famous N.L. Playoff series.  That series culminated in Bobby Thompson’s ”Shot Heard ‘Round The World” that catapulted the Giants into the World Series against the cross town Yankees.

 

 

 

 

 

Those were the “Say Hey” days of Willie Mays.  Those were the days of “The Catch” against Vic Wertz and  the Indians in the 1954 World Series.  These were the days when NYC was the center of the Baseball Universe.

 

The Giants; the New York Giants, unlike my beloved Ghosts ~ the Brooklyn Dodgers, and unlike the come-lately team from Baltimore who became the Yankees; it was the Giants who ruled this town to all a New Yorker’s delight early in the new twentieth century.

 

Joltin’ Joe DiMaggio at-bat versus Giants in World Series.

It was this team and John McGraw who made policy in this town.  John McGraw evicted the Yankees from the Polo Grounds; his realm.  The branch of NYC Baseball history that ensues in the Bronx as a result of McGraw’s eviction is for another time.  But know, the iconic frieze which adorns the upper deck of Yankee Stadium past and present, come from the Polo Grounds.  Plaques of honor in center field come from the Polo Grounds, first, before anywhere else.

 

By the end of 1957, they were gone. 

 

Mr. Stoneham was already in talks with Minneapolis to move the team there.  He, like Walter O’Malley of the Dodgers, was in discussions with the city (NYC) for a new ball park.  As MLB would not allow the Dodgers to move to the west coast alone, San Fransisco, having had discussions with Mr. Stoneham already, struck a deal with him and the Giants along with the Dodgers headed west.

Now, the San Francisco Giants are making their 9th playoff appearance since moving to California 53 years ago and will be facing, an over one-century old Philadelphia Phillies team for the National League Pennant.

The oldest baseball team in existence today has not won a World Series title since they left New York City.  Their last came in 1954.  These days, as denizens of San Francisco, they will try to correct that little fact in their long team history.

 

 

The Cincinnati Reds might be the first openly Professional team established in 1869 which would make them the oldest team in that regard.  But the Giants predate even those days.  The Giants, formally the Gotham Baseball Club of New York, after the New York Knickerbockers, were the second team….EVER.

 

 

My how time flies.

 

The Polo Grounds today.

 

 

Enjoy the Championship Series!

Mike.BTB

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Three Hands Down, 24 to go; Vintage Baseball Returns to Brooklyn

 
 
Back in Brooklyn; Where Baseball Grew-Up…
 
 
 

The gentlemen from the Vintage Base Ball Association came back to Washington Park this year for a doubleheader featuring the New York Gothams Baseball Club and the Flemington Neshanock Baseball Club.

 

 

If you remember last year (2009), The New York Gothams participated in a three team round-robin along with the Brooklyn Atlantics and Newark Eurekas.  And while Brad “Brooklyn” Shaw was on hand representing the Flemington Neshanock BBC, the team itself did not play.  The Flemington Club made their way to Brooklyn this time for a two game match against the returning Gothams.

 

On the left is Gotham’s Rafael “Wickets” Garcia
and on the right is Flemington’s 3rd baseman Jon”Hammer” Hepner
 

That would be Brad “Brooklyn” Shaw on the left.
There’s no smiling allowed, remember?
 
The Neshanock Club was kind enough to pose for a team picture.
 
The Gotham’s John “Stacks” Hyslop on the left;
Matt “Monk” Gebhart on the right….. 
 
 
They were absent from last year’s team pic. (2009)

 

Once again these ”Jolly-Young” skilled gamesmen graced us with their displays of vintage athletics; being steady at bat, accurate and strong with arm, resolved, quick and swift of feet in the field of play and ever the Gentlemen.

 

 
 
 
Game Action.
 
 
“Wickets” at the bat
 
 
A developing play at home.
 
 
 
Game Action
 
 
 
 
 
In this video please take notice to the fine hand work by the Catcher.  His hands were like magnets.  Think about this/his smoothness without a glove, then take some time to envision how good players were and how excellent the brand of Ball would have been, back 150+ years ago.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Game Action
 
 
“Stacks” reminded everyone why third base is referred to as
the Hot Corner.
 
 
Closing Ceremonies, Appreciation for those in attendance and a Gentleman’s Salute.
 
 
 
 
 
And now I’d like to introduce to you the Official of today’s match, former Vintage Player and co-author of the vast amount of research done concerning Baseball History
and particularly with regards to Brooklyn’s Baseball History;
One of the men behind,
 
Mr. David Dyte
 
 
 
It’s some-what of a sacrifice for these gentlemen to play here in the modern version of Washington Park.  It is after all, a public city park, with a newly installed artificial surface.  These players are accustomed to playing on real dirt and grass surfaces with more conducive dimensions and conditions than this location can afford.
So for my part, I thank you sincerely, as a Baseball Fan and a native Brooklynite passionate about his Borough’s role in the game’s history…, for coming out and sharing this brand of Baseball, your enthusiasm, not to mention all your hospitality and affable personalities; again I thank you.
It is my sincerest hope not only to take in a tournament next season, but that you fine gentlemen return to Brooklyn and continue these “Manly Displays” of Base Ball.
“Any Un-Manly Behavior will be made to pay a fine to The House”
No Rounders !
No Rounders !
 
 
Catch up on last year’s posting to learn more about the
History of Washington Park, The Federal League and the Brooklyn Tip Tops,
concerns about preserving historical baseball sights in the Borough and plenty of pictures from last year’s action during the Vintage Base Ball Association’s time in Brooklyn; 2009.
 
 
 
Mike
 
 
 
 
 

METropolitan Avenue

I had one of those days as I said in my last post, I looked around Met Camp and was happy to see a healthy number of Kids in the mix.  Then yesterday at  roughly 4:37 p.m., “IT” hit me.  Yes, IT.  Let the Baseball Season begin!  Every year is different.  I never know when IT will hit me.  Sometimes the New York Rangers have a say as to when IT hits me.  The Smurfs-on-Ice won’t be a factor for me this April (although I will be going to MSG tomorrow night for NYR vs. NY Islanders).  Some years IT hits early; some years later.  There is nothing I use as an alarm clock.  I don’t circle the start of Spring Training or anything like that.  And it has nothing to do with being a negative Met Fan for the moment…It’s nothing nefarious like that.  It’s just the feeling.  IT “Nuke”s me by announcing IT’S presence with authority.  IT, hit me yesterday afternoon on the way home when I opened my sun roof for the first time in 2010.  The sun beamed in and I suddenly found myself on “METropolitan Ave”. 

I didn’t plan IT that way.  That’s the way it happened this year.  I remember clearly, last year IT hit me as I ate a morning bagel reading the Sunday Paper.   …(a toasted cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese and jelly…Mmmm!! OR my home made FIGS spread from the fig tree I grow in my yard – WHAT!?  fugheddaboudit!!…and an espresso?  Now you’re livin!  I digress).

So today I am the recipient of good news regarding my New York Metropolitans.  Jose Reyes seems to have his thyroid issue corrected and he’s clear to play.  It’s good news and I will ride the wave.  Yea I know, I still have no Pitching.  I have Johan and I have K-Rod; a starter and a closer.  Yep; There it is…the Mets pitching staff.  Ladies and Gentlemen I bring you the New York Mayonnaise Sandwich.  From Johan (top slice of said sandwich bread) we smear a dollop of mayo and join to said bottom piece of sandwich bread (i.e. K-Rod) and what you have is the NY Pitching Mayo Sandwich.

No, instead of going….There…, I am determined to have three good days in a row as a Metropolitan Baseball fan.  Sometimes that’s not as easy as it sounds.  But hearing Reyes is cleared to re-start activities again vs. the 8 weeks he could have possibly missed, who am I to be a Negative Nancy.  Like I said, I’m just going to ride the wave today and
celebrate my New York Metropolitan Baseball Club..
 
 
…uh
 
 
Yea right!  Did ya really think…?
Not those New York Mets
I meant these guys:
The METROPOLITAN BASEBALL CLUB of NEW YORK
 
Here’s the history lesson with out the details.
This team started playing in 1880.  They and the New York Gothams were the first teams to play in the new and first professional baseball park in Manhattan; the Polo Grounds.  The guy who owned this team was being courted by the National League as well as the new American Association to play in their circuits to represent NYC in their leagues.  The Metropolitans started out as an independent.  So what the owner did was buy up the Troy Haymakers and the Worcester Brown Stockings and used those players to stock the roster of the Metropolitans for play in the AA and the other players were joined together to form the said New York Gothams and placed them in the National League.  In 1884 the New York Metropolitans won the American Association pennant.  In the World Series between the National League’s Providence Grays and the AA’s Metropolitans, NY went winless loosing to Providence three games to none.  By 1886 the team moved to the Staten Island Borough of NYC.  Shortly after that the team folded and was bought up by the Brooklyn Dodgers.  The Dodgers bought them to gain territorial rights and retained the contracts of the better players.
1884 Champions  Providence Grays
The short version ofall this is ultimately remnants from those four teams were homogenized together and the New York Giants were born and remained in the Polo Grounds till the team moved to S.F. after the 1957 season.  Four years later a new National League team would fill the void left behind when the Giants and Dodgers left. 
This new National League team would take the name of
the New York Metropolitan Baseball Club and would also play at the Polo Grounds. 
Other names were considered for the the team I currently root for such as,
Continentals, Rebels, Skyliners and Meadowlarks.
Today they play at Citi Field, and we call em the Amazin’ Mets.
 
The New York Giants? 
The Polo Grounds? 
You didn’t really think I’d ignore them did you?

C’mon.  All that stuff is for another day folks.  One thing at a time.
It’s a hell of a seg-way though…isn’t it?
 
Let’s Go Mets!!
 

*team pictures from wikipedia
 
 

What’s at 3rd Ave and 1st Street? A TrolleyRide, that’s what!

Today’s TrolleyRide takes us to South Slope, as it’s beginning to be called. 
Normally it’s called the Gowanas section, and before they built a highway through the neighborhood way back when, the neighborhood was still considered part of Red Hook.
We’re pulling up to
WASHINGTON PARK
3rd Ave & 1st Street,  4th Ave & 4th Street,
Brooklyn
(pic – 150 Years of Baseball, Beekman House)
Home of the Brooklyn Dodgers before  Ebbets Field was built;
Now, Then and the Debate
In 1898 the Dodgers played their first game here, in a newly constructed version of Washington Park.  The previous one was done-in by fire.  There are a lot of details I will be leaving out for the purposes of this post.  But you should know there were 3 versions of Washington Park at two locations diagonal from each other; hence the two different intersections I stated above.  The Dodgers played here till their last game in 1912 when they moved in to Ebbets Field.  But this isn’t about the Dodgers; not this time.  This is about teams that precede even the Dodgers….kinda.
Back on September 13, 2009 I attended 3 Baseball Games at today’s NYC Washington Park (public park).
It was a 3 game round robin involving the Brooklyn Atlantics, Newark Eurekas and
the New York Gothams.

click the pamphlets,  check out these rules.
Not these BROOKLYN ATLANTICS;
(pics-Brooklyn Dodgers by Mark Rucker)
Baseball’s first true dynasty, the Brooklyn Atlantics Baseball Club 
Champions of the United States in 1864, 1865, 1866, 1868 and 1870
(as THEY claim)-(some of it is debatable)
..and not these NEW YORK GOTHAMS,
a team founded in 1852 playing out of Manhattan
NO, I’m talking about these Brooklyn Atlantics
..and these New York Gothams of 2009.
I’m talking about
the VBBA
the VINTAGE BASE BALL ASSOCIATION

(VBBA.ORG)
Member of the Flemington BBC
These guys are regular me and you(s) who have a passion for baseball played the way it was played in the 1860′s and 1870′s.  They adhere to the day’s rules and don’t use gloves.  One of the rules worth mentioning is if you field a batted ball on one bounce, the batter is out.  The pitcher still pitched underhanded back then.  One of the greatest tools of the pitcher was being allowed to fake the runner and quick pitch the batter.  He was able to slow or fast pitch as he chose as long as it was an underhanded delivery.  I can’t explain my joy watching these games play themselves out and witnessing the differences with today’s game.
It was pure enjoyment but not just because of the game.  These were a collection of some very fine individuals.  They made so much time for me to just ask questions and photograph them.  There was a moment when I asked 4 players to come together for a pic.  One guy scattered, another whistled in the direction of the dugout and I turned around to see the whole team coming towards me with bats in hand for a complete team photo (the one you see above). No smiles!  No one smiled in photos in the late 1800′s.  These guys had all the details covered. They really were such personable fellows too.  I am sorry that at this point I’m having trouble putting a name to the face in some of these pictures.  These pictures and file have been sitting in my computer in a zipped-file since November.  I’m sorry for that because I enjoyed the day so much.  I am terrified to death by The Blue Screen of Death and can not muster enough courage to go on Downloads.com or something like that to download WinZip Software.  Is there anyone who can help me get over this anxiety?  I’m fearful of anything going wrong with my laptop after having been through the nightmares of crashing before.  Heck, that’s why I bought this lap top in the first place.  I was lucky even to recover this file.  But they are zipped and I’m pissed about it.  How did I get around that you may ask?  I took pictures of the pictures on my screen with my camera.  I lost something in quality.   But they didn’t come out too bad, did they?
The Atlantics get in some practice.
The house in the backround is
The Old Stone House.
It has been re-assembled here at Washington Park from it’s original location, using the same exact materials.
This was Goerge Washington’s headquarters during the Battles of Brooklyn. 
Hence, Washington Park.
The game is about to start.
Atlantics vs. Gothams
the Gotham Nine and the Atlantic Nine
(Shakespeare on the left)
But I have no doubt about the Atlantic’s 3rd baseman, Frank “Shakespeare” Van Zant.  I was sitting along 3rd base and was chatting it up with him all day long.  If I remember correctly he is an English professor.  Frank, please accept this belated expression of gratitude and can you share the sentiment with the team for me?  Ed “Pigtail” Elmore was the pitcher for the Atlantics this day.  Thank you all for “…one of the finest displays of skill and gamesmanship, in a gentlemanly manner of play.”
PigTail makes a pitch.
The contest is over and they shake hands like gentlemen.
I kept score of the game based on an improvised system to accomodate the rule differences.  I don’t expect you to understand it, but this is what it looked like.   This is the Atlantics side of the book.
Everything they do for the love of this game is an out of pocket expense.  Road trips and even the baseball they have specially made come out of their pockets.  I asked Shakespeare if I could have a ball.  He educated me how they operate and offered a ball for $25 to cover their expense.  Fugheddaboutdit!!…You kiddin’ me?!  It is one of my prized possessions today and the best $25 bucks I EVER spent!  Thanks again Frank!
One of my new prized possessions, an 1860′s replica baseball marked
as the Atlantics Base Ball Club marked all their balls.
The Newark Eurekas salute the Gothams before their game.
An unfortunate reality about the modern park may limit their appearances in Brooklyn.  These guys are taking real hacks and usually play on regular sized fields.  This day’s contests were played in a modern city park where the right fielder and first baseman could whisper to each other. 
We’ll see.  I would love to have them back.
Be well fellas! 
I hope to drive out to Smithtown, Long Island this summer to take in another game of Vintage Baseball.
Thanks for all your friendliness.
Now let’s take a few minutes to talk about Washington Park itself.  The park had been in use since the early 1880′s.  The Dodgers, like I said didn’t move in till 1898.  On December 31, 2009, an article appeared in the N.Y. Daily News that revisited an age long debate.  There is only one portion of wall that remains from Washinton Park of the past.  It’s the wall on 3rd Avenue, from 1st Street to 3rd Street.  The wall was definitely in place by 1914. 

The debate has always centered whether or not that wall existed when the Dodgers played there.  That would have to have the wall in place in 1912 or before.  If it is indeed proven this wall was in place prior to the Dodgers moving to Ebbets, obviously it raises concerns about it’s preservation.  A few years back, the present owner of the lot, Con-Edison, raised eyebrows when they announced plans to demolish the wall.  Brooklyn baseball fans freaked out and Con-Ed has since been committed to it’s preservation.  Naturally, I have the same interest level whether this wall can be dated to the Dodgers as any other
Brooklyn Dodger enthusiast. 
But the wall is preservation worthy regardless as it was home to Brooklyn’s Federal League team; the Brook-Feds, or as they became more commonly refered to as the Tip Tops.

(150 Years of Baseball.Beekman House)

(BrooklynBallparks.com)

The owner of the team was owner of the Brooklyn Tip Top Bread Company. 
If you didn’t know, and I assume you do,

the Federal League was a rival to MLB and played the 1914-1915 seasons. 
Wrigley Field is a remnant of that League. 
It was built to house the Chicago team of the Federal League.

This is what the Brooklyn Tip Tops looked like.  I took this picture at Yankee Stadium in 2008 when I  spotted this guy wearing a Tip Top Jersey.  I asked him if I could snap a pic of it.  I’ve never seen anyone with one before.  I’m not making insinuations about the guy but he didn’t realize what the jersey represented.  He thought it was another Dodger jersey.  I informed him otherwise.

The following pictures show the wall in the backround during these Federal League festivites. There is a lot of significance to this site and I’d like for the city to get around to placing a commemoration of sort in honor of Washington Park, of which there currently is none.  What history that is being clinged on to you can credit NYC Parks & Rec, and staff at The Old Stone House.  It’s inexcusable the city isn’t doing more.
Getting back to the wall, some cases are being made for the pre-1912 existence.  Most, to include the self-proclaimed Brooklyn resident historians, claim otherwise.  They don’t believe it is so.
(Opening Day Festivities 1914)
This is the the interior view of the wall pictured at 3rd Ave and 1st Street.
All the cap stones are still in place making the wall very recognizable when you compare these pictures with today’s remaining structure.
(brooklynballparks.com)
..And that concludes today’s TROLLEY RIDE to
Washington Park, Brooklyn
I hope everyone enjoyed the ride.
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